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We Must Amend The Constitution... NOW!!!

Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:32 AM EDT
politics, government, constitution, rights, liberalism, madison, hamilton, amendment, jefferson, locke, 10th, 9th, framers, natural-rights, bork, originalism, roger-sherman, de-jasay, libertariansim
By Rhys M. Blavier
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WE MUST AMEND THE CONSTITUTION IMMEDIATELY OR AMERICA IS DOOMED... DOOMED, I TELL YOU, DOOMED!We need to amend The Constitution to ban gay marriage (because people getting married to show their love of each other is an abomination… and because the idea of two guys or two ugly chicks making out with each other is just gross… and we can’t stop thinking about what it would be like)!

We need to amend The Constitution to ban the burning of the American flag (except by the Boy Scouts… and anyone who wants to dispose of a flag the way it is supposed to be disposed of, never mind that you can’t make people respect a symbol by passing laws which order them to)!

We need to amend The Constitution to ban abortion (because the wealthy can ALWAYS find doctors to take care of THEIR wives, mistresses and daughters)!

We need to amend The Constitution to allow school prayer and the reading of the Bible in school (even though Jesus said “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.”)!

We need to amend The Constitution to permit the use of the word 'God' in the Pledge of Allegiance and the national motto (because if WE are going to suck up to him, we damn sure want everyone else to be required to, also)!

We need to amend The Constitution and we need to amend it NOW, because the sky is falling on our heads… AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

For all of the ideologues who think that amending the Constitution is the appropriate way to enshrine their particular prejudices and passions and to force others to obey them, I want to ask you a question. Very simply, "Have you ever actually read The Constitution?"

The Constitution is a relatively simply document. It's only 4543 words long, which isn’t all that much longer than this article. One key thing that is important about the Constitution is not what it says, but what it does NOT say. The Constitution does NOT say anything about social rules or moral conduct of ‘we the people’ of The United States. The Constitution is an owner's manual of how to operate our government. It does not tell its citizens how to live their lives. In fact, with the exception of our disastrous foray into social policy with the 18th Amendment, which gave us both prohibition AND well financed organized crime, there is nothing in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or any subsequent amendment which deals with dictating social or moral behaviors or beliefs to the American people.

The Constitution itself does not say anything about WHEN, WHY, or FOR WHAT REASONS it should be amended. THOSE questions are left up to the citizens and the legislators of The United States to answer. Article V of The Constitution, in its entirety, says:

“The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

Thus, whenever someone raises the issue of amending the Constitution, the first question that should be asked is: "Is the issue itself appropriate for inclusion?"

Nowhere in the Constitution is a single word which even speaks to specific imposed restrictions on the rights of the citizens, unless you count treason, insurrection, piracy, counterfeiting, malfeasance in office or other such defined crimes as rights which are denied to ‘we the people’. It doesn't even speak to obligations of ‘we the people’ TO the government, though it does speak of obligations which the government has to ‘we the people’. In fact, other than talking about issues such as voting, or rights before the courts, the Constitution itself barely even deals with individual citizens.

Amending The Constitution is, and was intended by the framers of The Constitution to be, a VERY difficult and VERY time consuming process. It is not supposed to be something that happens very often or for trivial reasons. To see how meaningless a constitution becomes when it can be easily and frequently amended one need only look at the state constitutions of either Texas or Alabama. While state constitutions average around 36,000 words, the Texas state constitution is 80,806 words long and has been amended at least 632 times in 136 years (although Texas voters subsequently rejected at least 176 of them after our legislature passed them). The Alabama state constitution is, unbelievably, an even worse document than the state constitution of Texas. At 357,157 words, the Alabama constitution is about 40 times longer than the US Constitution and even three times longer than the longest national constitution of any sovereign nation in the world (India, whose constitution has 444 articles, 12 schedules and 94 amendments, with a total of 117,369 words) and it has been amended at least 798 times (the last amendment was #799, but the Alabama legislature itself couldn’t even keep track of how many there were and, as a result, Amendment #693 doesn’t even exist) in 108 years with most of those amendments affecting only single individual counties or even cities, or regulate such minutiae as the salary of the Greene County Probate Judge.

Amendments to state constitutions, such as the one now being called for in Iowa by those scared to death by the idea of two people of the same sex even holding hands, often also seem to ignore the fact that the US Constitution takes precedence over them and has this little thing known as Article IV which includes such provisions as the Full Faith and Credit Clause (Section 1: “Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”) and the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Section 2: “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”).

As difficult as it is to amend the US Constitution, it is therefore necessary and proper for both the Legislative and the Judicial branches to interpret and even expand on the meanings of both The Constitution AND of its 27 amendments. Please note, however, that while the very names of those two branches tells us of THEIR roles in that process (to ‘legislate’ and to ‘adjudicate’), no such power is given to the Executive branch, whose task is to ‘execute’ the laws and provisions of The Constitution and the other two branches. This was yet another aspect of our Constitutional government which was not understood by King George (Bush) II or his cronies in crime. Many people who want to use legislation (either federal or state) to counter or go around provisions of The Constitution, however, also show their ignorance of the document as Article VI specifically states that “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

The Constitution of the United States was not conceived or written to tell ‘we the people’ how to live their personal lives or even to place burdens on them towards their Society or their government. It does, however, tell the government how to operate and imposes obligations on it towards ‘we the people’. The Constitution is not a downward directed document, written on the mountain and handed down to ‘we the people’ by a supreme being who must be obeyed. The Constitution was not written by the government to ‘we the people’. The Constitution was, instead, written by ‘we the people’ to tell our government what limits and restrictions are placed upon IT, and what powers and authority are granted to it by the citizens who agreed to be governed by it. I wish people would realize that when they think about using The Constitution for shaping American society according to their own preferences or to try to tell people how to live or what morals they should adopt based on their own prejudices, bigotries and beliefs.

So, if The Constitution focuses on the operation of our government rather than on the behaviors of its citizens, where does the whole debate about our rights originate? The framers of The Constitution believed in ‘natural rights’, the idea that people, by their very nature, HAVE (not ‘are given’, but by birth ‘have’) certain rights which precede the establishment of any government. When The Constitution was written, there was a huge debate about even listing the rights of the citizens of The United States because some feared that the very fact that some rights were enumerated within The Constitution would mean that there would be those who would later argue that rights which were NOT enumerated in The Constitution were not ones which the citizens would have. In Federalist #84, Alexander Hamilton asks “Why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?” and writes that "a bill of rights is not only unnecessary but even dangerous” for that very reason. James Madison told Thomas Jefferson that “I conceive that in a certain degree ... the rights in question are reserved by the manner in which the federal powers are granted.” The fear of many was the very idea that enumerating ANY rights within The Constitution be interpreted by any moron as meaning that citizens only had rights BECAUSE of The Constitution. The very intention of the framers was to emphasis that the entire purpose of creating The United States was to protect the rights of the citizens and that the very idea that rights had to be ‘given’ TO ‘we the people’ was monarchical and anathema to everything they believed in and stood for. Connecticut’s Roger Sherman, in his own proposed draft of a Bill of Rights says that “The people have certain natural rights which are retained by them when they enter into Society.”

Much of the concept of natural rights which the framers believed in came from John Locke, the great philosopher and theorist of natural rights. He believed that the primary justification for even founding any government was specifically to make those rights more secure than they would be in a state of nature (a Society with NO government). Thus, the very reason to join together IN a governed Society is to provide ‘we the people’ with protection of those rights by being part of a collective, governed Society which is not present in a lawless Society, in which the strong are able to prey on the weak and take those rights away from ‘we the people’. This is where the framers showed their true genius and foresight by giving us the 9th and 10th Amendments to The Constitution, the “if we forgot something, it’s covered, also” amendments.

The 9th Amendment, in its entirety, states that:

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The 10th Amendment, in its entirety, says that:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

These are both very interesting Amendments. The 10th is usually used to support arguments which advocate State’s Rights against federal power by people without an awareness that States do not have rights, only powers (as specified in the literal wording of the Amendment), and that those powers are granted by the citizens. It is usually ignored that the 10th tells us that, IN ADDITION TO having rights, as provided for in the 9th, ‘we the people’ ALSO have power. By the very wording of The Constitution, our government only has certain powers and authorities (specifically spelled out within The Constitution), while ‘we the people’ have rights IN ADDITION to powers and authorities.

While there has been a lot of talk about the 10th Amendment, especially since the end of Reconstruction in The South, and since the movement towards recognizing the civil rights of ALL citizens in the 40s, 50s and 60s, the 9th may very well be the most ignored part of the entire Constitution. There even seems to be more case law that is based on the 11th Amendment (“The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.”), which was passed in response to one single Supreme Court case in 1793 (Chisholm v. Georgia), than there has been based on the 9th. Most of the court cases which would seem to be obvious ones about the retained rights and powers of the citizens under the 9th and 10th Amendments, such as Roe v. Wade, typically hinge on arguments which use the provisions of the Section 1 clauses of the 14th Amendments regarding Due Process and/or Privileges and Immunities (“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”) as their foundations.

Why IS the 9th Amendment so rarely raised, utilized or argued in American Courts? I think it is, very simply and fundamentally, because both the courts and our government are afraid of it. If we followed the literal provisions of the 9th Amendment, both the courts and our entire government would have MUCH less power over the citizens than they would like. If we observed the provisions of the 9th Amendment, the citizens would never have the burden to prove that they have certain or specific rights, the government and the courts would have the burden to prove that they DON’T. The party on whom the burden of proof rests has a MUCH more difficult case to make than the one which has the presumption of being correct or innocent. No government in history has ever wanted to bear that burden when they are challenging their own citizens, and courts are a function of government.

Into this fray go those who advocate that The Constitution favors the government over the governed. One of the most prominent advocates of reading The Constitution as only protecting enumerated rights was Judge Robert Bork and his famous ‘inkblot’ interpretation of the 9th Amendment. About the beliefs held by Judge Bork and those who interpret The Constitution using the same flawed concept of ‘originalism’ which he uses (that the only rights belonging to the citizens are those which are specifically spelled out in The Constitution and that any other ‘discovered’ rights are illegitimately ‘created’ by the courts) The Oxford Companion to The Supreme Court of the United States says:

“Yet this skeptical view of unenumerated rights would have the practical effect of converting the original scheme of limited [and] defined powers [of the government] in a sea of individual rights into a scheme of limited enumerated rights in a sea of [unlimited] government powers.”

I would also ask those who advocate such positions as Judge Bork’s for his ‘original intent’ interpretation of The Constitution, “Why do you think that the framers of The Constitution destroyed all of their notes and minutes from the entire Constitutional Convention if not to keep those who followed them from relying on their intent and, thus, giving us the freedom to make this country what we want it to be and to be able to adapt it to the changing needs of Society?” While I have my own beliefs about requiring legislators to specify the goals and objectives for any legislation that they create (in order to make it easier for us to get rid of that legislation later), I can find no fault with the wisdom of the founders to deny us the knowledge of their ‘original’ intentions.

Anthony de Jasay, the Hungarian-born libertarian anarchist philosopher and economist who is best known for his writings against ‘the state’, talks about using a ‘Presumption of Liberty’ concept of natural rights. De Jasay argues that “liberty should be presumed, not because we have a “right” to it, or because it is the most important value or goal, but because it follows from the requirements of epistemology and logic.” In other words, instead of appealing to a person’s preference for liberty, logic dictates that liberty should be presumed. The critical rationalist and philosopher of science, Gerard Radnitzky, was so impressed with de Jasay’s case for the presumption of liberty that he stated that “for the first time the political philosophy of libertarianism and of classical liberalism has gotten a solid base in logic and epistemology.”

There is much to be considered by anyone who would advocate amending The Constitution with a goal of enshrining bigotry or prejudice within it, or of using it to take away rights from our citizens. To do so would be against every idea upon which The United States was created. I personally think that there should be (at least) four levels of rights and powers which should be considered by anyone who thinks they should have the right to tell everyone else what freedoms they do and do not have. They are, in order from highest to lowest:
1.) Rights that are retained by the people;
2.) Rights that are voluntarily surrendered by the people to the government;
3.) Rights that are suppressed by the people in our ‘voluntary’ association in a governed Society; and
4.) Rights that are repudiated by the people through the granting of certain powers and authority to the government.

Governments may have power, but only people have rights, and it is simply wrong for anyone to try to use our Constitutions to try to take away ANY of those rights. That is a ‘right’ which I do not believe anyone of ‘we the people’ ever gave away to anyone else.

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I want to acknowledge books and the Internet for giving me invaluable assistance in being able to use my mind and to write articles such as this. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Special thanks must be given, as is common for my constitutional articles, to The Oxford Companion to The Supreme Court of The United States (second edition), edited by Kermit L. Hall.

Thank you for reading this article. Please read my other articles and let me know what you think. I am writing them not to preach or to hear myself think but to try to create dialogs, debates and discussions on the nature of American government and how we can build upon and improve it based on what we have learned over the course of the 225 years of The American Experiment.

Rhys M. Blavier
Romayor, Texas

"Truth, Justice and Honor... but, above all, Honor"

© copyright 2009 by Rhys M. Blavier

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Rhys M. Blavier

For anyone who might be interested, these are the other articles I have posted here on Newsvine to try to do my part to raise the level of dialog and discuss the nature and future of politics in America.

1.) Constitutional Oaths and A Plea to President Obama http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/26/2606618-constitutional-oaths-and-a-plea-to-president-obama

2.) The American Experiment http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/24/2037517-the-american-experiment

3.) The Corporate 'Person' http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/22/2028485-the-corporate-person

4.) The Laboratory of Democracy... Alternative Voting Methods http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/25/2039551-the-laboratory-of-democracy-alternative-voting-methods

5.) The American Vice Presidency... Graveyard of the Constitution http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/25/2038194-the-american-vice-presidency-graveyard-of-the-constitution

6.) The Campaign I Wish I Could See http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/27/2042922-the-campaign-i-wish-i-could-see

7.) The Power of Political Misinformation (from The Washington Post) http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/23/2030772-the-power-of-political-misinformation-from-the-washington-post

8.) Four Candidates... Some Data Just to Throw Chum in the Water http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/25/2038248-four-candidates-some-data-just-to-throw-chum-in-the-water

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:48 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Rhys,

I am so tired that I could only scan through this right now, but I will check it out in the AM with a cup 'o coffee. ;^) (looks good though)

G'd Night

Aloha

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 6:26 AM EDT
pcbynature

Rhys

Ditto for me needing more time... I intuitively agree that now is the time.I applaud your consisitent efforts to educate on thses poinsts.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 7:03 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

PCByNature,

Thank you.. to educate and make people think is my ultimate goal.

Rhys M. Blavier

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 7:10 AM EDT
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ron c. baker sr.

WOW...thank you kind sir, for your diligence and your labor. this was the most enlightening, and educational article i have read since joining the vine (almost 2 years/ come june), and that is considerable.

i know next to nothing about the constitution, when it comes down to the innards of it. i, like most people just know what we hear from day to day, or election to election. this when you can be sure to hear the constitution (but just tiny parts of it) tossed around and used and abused. candidates will bastardize it and their mouth-pieces on the networks will stretch so far out of shape, it will bare no resemblance to what the framers wrote.

i am just as guilty as the next person, for not knowing the single most important document a nation can have. i thank you for this and i am certainly read your other articles, of this you may rest assured. thank you very much. and if you would be so kind as to accept a friends invitation, i would be very grateful.

luv,

ron

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 7:41 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Ron,

Thank you for your very kind and gracious words. Most of my articles which I have written for and posted on NV are based on constitutional issues which I think I have a different perspective on from most people. I hope you do read that... and tell your friends about them (I am new here and have been feeling rather frustrated avout how difficult it is to build a readership here when you try to foster considered debate with actul substance. If I could get my self to post one of those "Congress Sucks and Obama had all of his blood relaced by a foreigner so he ain't an American" articles which get a thousand comments such as "oh yeah? well so's our mother". I put a lot of work into researching and writing my articles. I would like to feel that I haven't been wasting my time. Thanks again.

Rhys M. Blavier

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:05 AM EDT
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ron c. baker sr.

thank you rhys. i honestly feel your work should be required reading for at least the newbies coming here, in not for all us older members. i feel bad that important work such as yours is often ignored. i am just as guilty, often reading the goofy stuff, but i do try to inform myself with the weightier articles.

i would recomend your work to any...everyone, and that is the honest, and humble truth of it. thank you for your time.

luv,

ron

p.s. i'm from glen rose, texas...where is romayor ???

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Ron,

The PROPER question is "Where the HELL is Romayor?" :D It is in Liberty County in the deep Big Thicket, along the Trinity River... within the triangle formed by Cleveland, Livingston and Liberty... about 4 miles past where the sun sets and 7 miles past nowhere. :D

Rhys

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
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goldnmypoc

Glad I kept reading as that first paragraph had me shaking my head. Great article !! And I for one have read the constitution.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:37 AM EDT
LadySaidy

Very nicely written. And I agree about Texas. Way too many admendments, but that is how the consititution was set up. Instead of passing laws, you pass constitutional amendments. (I live north of Dallas BTW).

I too have read the Constitution. In fact, I had a copy of it on my PDA for years, until the PDA died. I do have PDF copies on my computer and a bookmark to an online version. I for one am glad it is so difficult to amend the Constitution. Can you imagine the chaos if it were like Texas'?

Enjoyed reading the article. I truly must check out more of your writings.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 9:07 AM EDT
jwc2blue

I too am glad I read past the first section. If not I probably would have added another change that computer buyers need to pass an IQ test. ;)

Great seed!

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 9:17 AM EDT
LonoKemp

Another great one Rhys. From this point forward, everytime I read virtual shouting about how "such and such" action is unconstitutional or otherwise, I'll point the shouter this way. My only reservation is this sentence:

This was yet another aspect of our Constitutional government which was not understood by King George (Bush) II or his cronies in crime.

Picking up the hatchet, I think, takes away from what you were saying. It's clear that the Bush Admin had little concern for the constitution, beyond the extent that it could be twisted or abused. By all means I think that point is a necessary one to make in any contemporary discussion of the Constitution, but I might leave off the "cronies in crime" remark....at least until some convictions are handed down of course.

  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Lono,

Actually, I agree with you... I wasn't really sure that I needed it in the article as I try to stay away from the high explosives... I am thinking about removing it... it really isn't necessary to the article and probably kind of hurts my intention. Thanks again, as always, for your comments.

Rhys

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 3:11 PM EDT
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Tex-988483

Dang. Thanks, podjo! That represents a bit of sweat and toil and I for one appreciate it. Were I not a disheveled, shiftless, lethargic leftneck hipbilly with too much on his plate (such as, Mr. President Where can I get a job?) you'd have taken the words right out of my mouth.

I fear that our great experiment in a Constitutional and Democratic Republic is in the crash and burn phase and it looks like the Bill of Rights is just about Void Where Prohibited By Law. Hamilton and his pards may have been correct in their argument. I just wish more of us would put some elbow grease into reading these documents and the letters, debates and discourses that led up to our Constitution and Bill of Right's. Hell, I wish folks would read more novels.

Speaking of novels and to paraphrase Walker Percy (sorry brother Percy) I sometimes feel like my life is the adventure of a bad presbyterian at a time near the end of the world. Or something like that.

I hope to tell you, as soon as the Stress O Rama subsides a bit and I have stoked up on a thick cup o mug I am going to search out your various essays.

Thanks again. Oh, by the way, I'm originally from Abalama and was sadly ignorant of the states constitutional extravaganza. Well, that answers a whole load of questions.

Best at you.

Nemo Me Impune Lacesset

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
ohiogal-479871

Wow this was a good read, i clipped the article to some of my groups i hope everyone gets a chance to read this!

way to go Rhys!

  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
IHawk_08

Fantastic article! Very well written and you obviously know your material. I'm glad I took the time to read it in its entirety.

Those who do not trust themselves to be good, true and right, look to their government to tell them how to live. Those who trust in themselves, tell their government how to act and look to it only to preserve their right to do so.

Thanks for putting the effort into this. I would love to copy and save it on my computer in word file, if you would be so kind as to allow me to (so that I may share it with family and friends who are not viners).

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

IHawk,

You are more than welcome to save it and share it with anyone you wish to. I do not write my articles to hear myself think, I write them because I hope that they will contribute to better national dialogues about issues and ideas I think we need to give more attention to.

Thank you for your comment and your support. I appreciate it.

Rhys M. Blavier

  • 5 votes
#12.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
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MichelleUT

Reading this article makes me wonder how any State justifies putting an amendment in their constitution banning gay marriage - including my own state.

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:23 PM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Michelle,

It is very simply because they hate the idea that other people do not share their own personal beliefs and think that a proper use a constitution is to shape the moral structure of a nation or state and to tell people how to live their own personal lives based on the prejudices and beliefs of those who are advocating for such amendments. In my mind, THEY are the people who are not true Americans because they don't get the whole idea about WHY this nation was founded.

Thanks,

Rhys

  • 6 votes
#13.1 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
MichelleUT

Agreed. Legislation of morality is just...oi.

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#13.2 - Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:53 PM EDT
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Elian Maricon

Standing up and applauding

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Reply#14 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:10 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Taking a bow. :)

BTW, Thanks to everyone... this has become my first article to reach 20 votes.

Rhys

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:35 AM EDT
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Rella

Excellent article! I haven't ever seen someone discuss the Constitution in such detail on the Vine before - very refreshing.

"Have you ever actually read The Constitution?"

I think for most people the answer is a resounding "NO." Back in 2000, after the election and during the recount and court challenges, I kept referencing my copy of the Constitution for what step would happen next. (It was my first presidential election - talk about a doozy!) One of the things I found striking was that virtually everyone I knew was stunned that I actually had a copy of the Constitution in my house that I could reference. I was stunned that they didn't. And then they would all ask me what it said on the topic.

So, no, I don't think that most people have read the Constitution. Or, at least not since high school, and they certainly don't seem to remember it.

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Reply#15 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:55 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Rella,

Welcome and thank you. I carry a copy of The Constitution with me in my laptop case everywhere I travel. I have no training in constitutional law but have had a lifelong fascination with it and used to write constitutions for organizations as a past time the same way many people do crosswords. I love what The Constitution is and what it stands for and study it as much as I can. I try to ask the questions about what it says that others seem to miss. In case you are interested, most of my other articles focus on constitutional analysis and issues. I have also started a new Newsvine group, Liberal Libertarians, to try to raise the constitution back to prominence in American politics and to talk about taking that party back from the far-right conservatives who took it over in 1983. Join us if you are interested in being part of the discussions that I hope to initiate... no obligation. :)

Thanks again.

Rhys

  • 4 votes
#15.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:10 AM EDT
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Eric Atienza

Good stuff, I've always been fascinated by the way some people do an end run around Full Faith and Credit to establish was is basically localized discrimination.

  • 4 votes
Reply#16 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
Betsy Ross-978921

Rhys,

I wrote an article from a Constitutional legal position on the gay marriage issue after the Iowa Supreme Court decision if you are interested. We don't need an amendment actually, we need the state and federal governments to do their job actually and acknowledge the "common law"which is behind our Constitution with respect to civil law in this country. That is what is missing. Writing all the "legal"amendments you want won't change it until they start reading it. Take a look at the article and let me know what you think.

  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

Betsy,

I will read it. Thanks.

Another thing I try to tell people when they want to suggest amending The Constitution or having Article V Conventions, etc. is that before we do any of that, we NEED to have a national dialogue about WHAT The Constitution is and how our constitutional government (and the branches OF that government) works. Until we come to some common understanding, if not agreement, on what the foundation of our nation is and what it means, everything else is just trying to fix symptoms of a major sickness and, unless the CAUSE of that sickness is fought, fighting symptoms won't matter. (BTW, before someone tried to claim that I am saying that The Constitution is a sickness that needs to be fixed, that is not what I am saying. The sickness is the psychological pathology (and functional ignorance) of the American people regarding The Constitution and our government).

I have sent you a freind request and, I think, an invitation to join my NV group Liberal Libertarians. I would be honored if you would accept them.

Rhys

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
jaywow67

Great article and I love the way you phrase things in a way everyone should be able to understand it.

Thanks a lot.

You are doing a public service with this article.

Friend request sent.

  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
Azzix

Well done Rhys! I keep a copy of the Constitution on my iPhone; I can think of few documents in the History of Mankind that are as important (perhaps the Magna Carta).

I can't help but thinking if our population had as much knowledge and reverence for the Constitution as the folks on this seed, our country would not be facing all of the troubles we currently face.

  • 2 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

I have had the most stressful week I have had since I have left the world. My parents have said I can go stay with them this week-end so I can spend some time with them and see some of my friends. I am leaving to go TO town. I will be gone all week-end and will not be taking a computer with me. I MAY come back. If I do, I will start on Monday to clean up any messes that might be made in any of my threads over the week-end. Until then, play nice everyone.

Rhys M. Blavier

  • 2 votes
Reply#21 - Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:39 AM EDT
Rhys M. Blavier

This article is now closed to public comments. If you wish to discuss any aspect of this article with the author, please contact me directly. I will also be closing all of the comment threads in all of my other original articles and will not have comment threads in my future original articles.

Thank you for your understanding.

Have a good day,

Rhys M. Blavier

  • 2 votes
Reply#22 - Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:15 AM EDT
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